i know the deficits are coming down. maybe there is a reassuring notion that itiles up on the presidt's precipitously to say it will be $3 trillion less than rates shot but it will sll be neck-and-neck $8 trillion more. th is hoodwinking people. >> i did not go that far. neil: someone tells you it will fall $3 trillion don't you think it will fall? >> yes. neil: but go up 11 now goes up 8 trillion that is what you meant >> you rarely hear a politician who was from this policy standpot eaking to the same way you would hear an economist or someone in the financial industry. neil: if you say you cut something then you better be cutting it not jt saying that cut is off their rates of growth. that is disingenuous. >> the budget will be a huge issue. neil: no dbt. >> it will be something we have seen although it is not muchf an issue during 2014. neil: if that's the case then doesn't that reinforc the argument of little impetus? that we kn for both parties is a ticking time bomb? >> this focus in particular they do a lot of te